Klaus Lederer (Left): “Wagenknecht consciously leaves it open whether this should be a ethnic project” | EUROtoday

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Linke politician Klaus Lederer was Berlin's Senator for Culture from December 2016 to April 2023. The 49-year-old is a member of the Berlin House of Representatives.

WELT: Mr. Lederer, you say that the left is lagging behind actuality. What do you imply?

Klaus Lederer: The occasion program is from 2011. The world has modified massively since then: local weather change has change into so superior globally that it could possibly not be ignored. We reside on the expense of the planet, ecosystems and the Global South. A middle-class society had emerged in wealthy industrial nations, and every technology anticipated growing materials prosperity. This certainty is now gone. If we don't get the planetary downside beneath management, we not want to speak about left-wing politics.


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WELT: Many individuals understand local weather safety as a burden and concern for his or her jobs.

Lederer: Climate safety requires social framework situations. This shouldn’t be primarily a query of particular person habits. Climate coverage is at the moment being mentioned as an ethical renunciation and is perceived as a person imposition at a time when our society is exhausted by many crises. There is an absence of a optimistic perspective for a great life for everybody.

People want to appreciate that they particularly profit from local weather coverage: Thuringia offers communities a share within the earnings from photo voltaic or wind farms. What position does the state have in social and ecological change? What fundamental wants does he have to make sure? I feel that is the fashionable, authentic left-wing query.

WELT: The Left ought to change into a “career” occasion once more?

Lederer: Of course she has to care for individuals's considerations, which is harder in rural areas than in cities. There is a sure helplessness within the occasion. We are languishing at three %, now we’re resorting to ideas with which we had been beforehand profitable: with a nebulous Eastern identification or basic social redistribution.

But we should always not trip on diffuse waves of indignation or harden nationwide or regional affiliations. It's about equal alternatives for everybody, whether or not for the black, lesbian bicycle courier or the postal employee who has had household roots right here for 200 years.

WELT: Is the Alliance Sahra Wagenknecht (BSW) at the moment the strategically smarter left-wing occasion?

Lederer: Wagenknecht shouldn’t be a leftist. Your occasion is a nationwide welfare state occasion. Wagenknecht intentionally leaves open whether or not this needs to be a ethnic or a republican nationwide mission. At BSW all the pieces is grouped across the chief; the complete success of the shop is dependent upon her.

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WELT: The BSW may play a central position after the East German state elections.

Lederer: Wagenknecht has all the time averted subjecting their positions to actuality checks. Then she must get severe about politics. It's simpler to inform the same old stand-alone sentences on discuss reveals. The BSW is an outrage administration firm, an anger vacuum cleaner.

Peace with Russia, much less Europe, extra isolation and a little bit of social coverage – these are the chunks that she is throwing to the voters. Otherwise it goes towards the visitors lights, supposed elites and minorities. It is an expression of our downside that we ourselves didn’t have the power to separate ourselves from these regressive slogans.

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WELT: The new management of the Left Bundestag group, Heidi Reichinnek and Sören Pellmann, additionally needed to maintain Wagenknecht.

Lederer: Anyone who elects a pacesetter in a vote with a one-vote majority within the present state of affairs has clearly not understood a number of issues.

WELT: You have accused your occasion of being too comfortable on the Hamas assault on Israel. How do you clarify these reactions?

Lederer: Last however not least, there have been many leftists who all the time fought towards anti-Semitism. But there has all the time been anti-Semitism inside the left. At the guts of the Hamas bloodbath was the degradation and destruction of Israelis and Jews, the rape of ladies, and kidnapping as an finish in itself. This most brutal terror doable was even broadcast reside on the Internet.

This has woke up traumas which have been rooted for generations in Israel after the Shoah. The lack of empathy for the victims of terror stunned and deeply shocked me. Empathy is indivisible. Mine belongs to all these struggling on this battle.

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WELT: Jewish college students report that they’re afraid of left-wing fellow college students.

Lederer: These situations are unacceptable and insupportable. Dogmatic anti-imperialism sees the Palestinians as an oppressed individuals and Israel because the oppressor. There is a straightforward worldview, there’s good and evil and ethical readability, Israel is the final word evil.

I feel that if Jewish individuals on this nation are affected by rising anti-Semitism, a left should present solidarity with them and demand that the existence of Israel can also be a consequence of the Holocaust.

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WELT: You had been Senator for Culture in Berlin for six and a half years. At the publicly funded Berlinale, Israel was accused of “genocide” in Gaza. How did you understand that?

Lederer: I wasn't there, I’ve to place that first. It makes a distinction whether or not such statements come from an Israeli-Palestinian filmmaker duo or from Germans. I discover it extremely problematic that the administrators had been marked as enemies. In a democracy you additionally must tolerate positions that you simply discover basically fallacious. You then must object objectively.

But I used to be horrified that the Israeli hostages weren't even mentioned, such because the Israeli actor David Cunio, who was honored on the Berlinale years in the past. Public cultural establishments have a particular accountability right here.

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WELT: Where does the one-sidedness towards Israel come from?

Lederer: In many debates all over the world I discover the aforementioned good-evil simplification concerning the Middle East battle. This can also be spreading on this nation. Partly with the argument that the Germans have too many cuffs to acknowledge this attributable to their historical past. I discover that repulsive and disgusting. But additionally that the tragedies within the Middle East are shamelessly politicized on this nation: anti-Semites are all the time another person. Many have motive to be self-critical.

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WELT: What penalties ought to the incident have for publicly funded cultural establishments?

Lederer: It surprises me that this occurs repeatedly with out studying from previous errors. The artwork world urgently wants to deal with anti-Semitism. After October seventh, it turned clear how internationally organized “Palestinian solidarity” networks had been hijacking cultural areas. They use these appearances for easy propaganda.

We must defend these areas with home guidelines and legal legislation. Such one-sidedness doesn’t open up long-term peaceable prospects for the individuals in Israel and Palestine; it solely reproduces anti-Semitic resentment.