Manuela Bergerot, chief of Más Madrid: “Ayuso is irresponsible, she is sowing a field where monsters like Alvise grow” | Madrid News | EUROtoday

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The spokesperson for Más Madrid within the Assembly, Manuela Bergerot (Argentina, June 13, 1976), arrived in Spain as a child and after the pressured exile of her father, detained in Argentina by the Videla dictatorship. She grew up in Torrelodones (Madrid). Now, when she seeks to consolidate Más Madrid as the primary different to the PP of Isabel Díaz Ayuso, she remembers that her concern for politics was born there: “The first awareness that I have since I was very little is the inequality that not having the situation generates. regulated administrative, being without papers.”

Ask. What was it like rising up with out papers?

Answer. I didn’t have Spanish nationality till I used to be 15 years previous. This inequality generates an consciousness of discrimination in opposition to fundamental rights, entry to healthcare, to schooling. At a time when the nation was nonetheless transitioning from dictatorship to democracy, males in blue shirts entered my mom's Argentine restaurant in En Torrelodones and compelled everybody there to lift their arms and sing the Face to solar. We lived with that and that normalization was what brought about, for instance, my faculty and highschool classmates to be the murderers of Lucrecia Pérez. The similar neo-Nazi classmates in my class, a number of weeks later, threatened me and instructed me: “You're next, Sudaca.” And in the event that they did it as soon as, why couldn't they do it once more?

P. What is finished about that?

R. That just isn’t a specific query of mine, however of all of us who grew up in these cities within the Northwestern Sierra, who know what it was wish to develop up dealing with neo-Nazi organizations that roamed freely. Faced with that, and anybody who has grown up within the Sierra Noroeste of Madrid is aware of this, there’s a very lengthy custom of organizations in protection of democracy, and many people additionally turn into politicized via the protection of pure heritage. There comes Vecinos por Torrelodones, neighbors who organized to defend that the Madrid PP couldn’t throw balls. I used to be an adolescent who was round that.

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P. The president of the PP of Madrid and the area, Isabel Díaz Ayuso, maintains that “the Sánchez Government follows the path of the Venezuelan dictatorship”, or that “Sánchez leads us to the dictatorship.” With his household background, how does that sound to you?

R. She is irresponsible. An irresponsible one that, since she has no political challenge for Madrid, is devoted to sowing the bottom of a perverse story, to be able to cowl up negligent administration. What worries me most about that speech just isn’t that she is overlaying up the truth that she doesn’t have a challenge and that the one factor she is enthusiastic about is governing the nationwide Popular Party. The most severe factor about that’s that she is sowing, she is fertilizing, a area the place monsters like Alvise develop.

P. Are you referring, for instance, to receiving and adorning the president of Argentina, Javier Milei?

R. Decorating Milei within the midst of a diplomatic disaster between Spain and Argentina is disloyal to our individuals and our democratic establishments. It should be remembered that the disaster comes exactly from the insults of the Argentine president in a earlier go to, promoted by Vox. I suppose that the medal seeks to compete with Santiago Abascal and set its personal tempo in opposition to Feijóo. Ayuso desires to be the reference for the reactionary worldwide in Spain. That is why she now desires to do what she criticized a lot in regards to the Catalan independentists: her personal overseas coverage as president of an autonomous group.

P. He says that that is how the soil is sown for phenomena like Alvise. What does Ayuso need to do with that?

R. That the Popular Party of Madrid led by Ayuso is the worst Popular Party in Spain since it’s the one that’s dismantling all public providers, every little thing that unites us as a society, and that exactly with the addition of the way it has sown a area filled with lies. She is a president who lies at a press convention in a Government Council [en referencia a cuando defendió a su pareja Alberto González Amador, investigado por la presunta comisión de dos delitos de fraude fiscal y uno de falsedad en documento mercantil]who makes use of his Government to defame, to assault his political adversary, and who threatens journalists [en referencia al jefe de gabinete de la presidenta, Miguel Ángel Rodríguez]. Ayuso has kidnapped the Madrid establishments from the second during which the Assembly can’t discuss something that bothers her. Politics just isn’t fulfilling its essence, which is to enhance the lives of Madrid residents. And it’s in that crop area the place monsters like Alvise develop, fed by Ayuso.

P. What do you imply once you say that Parliament is hijacked?

R. That worth judgments are made in regards to the content material of the opposition's initiatives. They privatize public providers, on this case Madrid's healthcare, after which they reject all of the initiatives relating to the Quirón Group as a result of they are saying that the Assembly just isn’t there to oversee personal corporations. There the circle of perversion closes. If I can’t name the Quirón Group to seem, who’s going to reply to me how Madrid's public well being system is being managed, if exactly they’re doing it? That is a full-fledged kidnapping. They have additionally vetoed the specialists of the Citizen Commission for the Truth in nursing houses, who’re epidemiologists, professors…

P. The Assembly works like this as a result of the PP has an absolute majority. What has the left performed incorrect?

R. I feel, exactly, purchase that story. That speech underpins that, and likewise makes invisible that there have been different milestones during which this has not all the time been the case. In 2015 we gained the Madrid City Council [con Ahora Madrid y Manuela Carmena], there have been a number of events within the Madrid Assembly during which the federal government's dispute has been for one deputy above, one deputy beneath, and we all know that this may be circled once more. Our recipe is working, and I’m more and more satisfied that in 2027 we’re going to flip across the authorities of the Community of Madrid.

Manuela Bergerot, after the interview.
Manuela Bergerot, after the interview. Jaime Villanueva

P. And what has Ayuso performed nicely?

R. What it has performed nicely has been a mannequin of a disjointed, remoted society, and more and more degrading the general public, which is without doubt one of the issues that ensures having a cohesive and honest society. Let us keep in mind that we stay in one of many richest autonomous communities and on the similar time essentially the most territorially unequal. That degrades and in the long run monsters like Alvise emerge. But we additionally produce other fashions in sight. It was attainable prior to now [gobiernos de la izquierda]has been attainable in different communities and will likely be attainable once more.

P. One of his deputies, Pablo Padilla, has an open file within the Assembly for simulating that he was taking pictures throughout a plenary session. Why hasn't he requested the report?

R. Well, as a result of I assist Pablo Padilla, the management of the parliamentary group helps him, and your entire parliamentary group helps him. We have it very clear. It is an accusation that has no proof. The Popular Party goes to do every little thing attainable to proceed punishing Más Madrid as a result of it is aware of that we’re the drive that’s eroding it and controlling it. I want they might tear their garments each due to the genocide that we’re seeing in opposition to the Palestinian individuals, and due to a gesture completely taken out of context.

P. Doesn't that gesture even deserve an apology?

R. I insist. He ayuso, that day, not solely did he not discuss Madrid, as he all the time does, however he additionally mentioned actually atrocious issues [sobre Israel y Palestina]. He seeks to generate any controversy and punish the opposition leaders, to degrade our motion, however he’s not going to attain it, as a result of he is aware of that he has no foundation for it.

P. The PSOE maintains that Más Madrid has misplaced its window of alternative, and that the electoral struggle within the area is already between Ayuso and its chief, Juan Lobato. Has Mónica García's departure from the Government of Spain and Sumar's poor outcome within the European Championships performed a lot injury?

R. We haven't hit the ceiling. What's extra, in simply 5 years as a corporation we ruled eight of crucial cities in Madrid. [Getafe, Rivas, Alcorcón, Coslada, Casarrubuelos, Parla y Velilla de San Antonio]; we’ve supplied one of the best Minister of Health; and the progressive bloc has assumed our flags as their very own.

P. What has gone incorrect in Sumar?

R. Organizations with territorial power need to set the tempo any further. It is true that there have been not good leads to the European Championships for Sumar, however he’s already reflecting and redirecting himself. We are the forces with territorial roots that show that we don’t cease rising. We have the recipe. In Madrid it really works. We hope that any further they may copy us.

P. Didn't you hearken to them within the European marketing campaign?

R. Más Madrid didn’t take part within the path of the European marketing campaign and, due to this fact, we didn’t have an area there the place we may contribute exactly what has labored for us. Even so, we’re very happy with the marketing campaign we’ve performed in Madrid. It has been proven that when we don’t current ourselves with our identification, with our candidate and with our roadmap, issues haven’t labored in addition to they might have labored.

P. If the autonomous organizations are the highly effective ones, what’s the level of being in Sumar?

R. Más Madrid just isn’t inside any group. Más Madrid is autonomous, and is one other of the actors that make up the electoral coalition with which we introduced ourselves on July 23 and likewise for the European elections. We are another actor, simply because the Sumar motion is another actor in that coalition.

P. More Madrid current themselves as a Madrid autonomist occasion. What do you assume that the Government has dedicated to recognizing the “singularity” of Catalonia inside the world financing reform?

R. The distinctive financing that pursuits me is that which reaches every one of many individuals of Madrid within the type of public providers.

P. Does it appear good or unhealthy to you?

R. I’ve to see that proposal particularly, as a result of I haven't seen it but.

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