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A key British-Russian dissident who escaped dying after being rescued from solitary confinement throughout a historic US-brokered prisoner swap has vowed the downfall of Vladimir Putin is “inevitable”.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, 43, served two years of a 25-year sentence for talking out in opposition to the conflict in Ukraine earlier than being free of his Siberian penal colony in August.

As one of the excessive profile opposition figures to Putin, he’s adamant that even when he – like Alexei Navalny – is killed, others will stand up in opposition to the regime.

In an unique sit down interview with The Independent hours after arriving within the UK for the primary time since being freed, Kara-Murza spoke at size about the way forward for Russia – and the way its imminent peace can’t be stopped.

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“Even if Vladimir Putin kills all of us, the current leaders of the opposition, others will come in our place,” he stated.

“Others from the younger generation. The people who turned out in the tens of thousands for the funeral procession of Alexei Navalny in Moscow earlier this year. People who have been leaving these flowers at makeshift memorials all over the country. They will come and take our place to find a democratic Russia, even when none of us are there.”

The father-of-three, who is because of meet Sir Keir Starmer right this moment, has escaped dying however is greater than keen to threat it once more for his nation by returning to Russia.

He survived two poisoning makes an attempt in 2015 and 2017, which he says was orchestrated by the Kremlin, and in 2022 was sentenced to 25 years for his opposition, the longest political sentence in Russia because the fall of the Soviet Union. He would solely be freed in August 2024.

The makes an attempt on his life left him with polyneuropathy, a debilitating nerve situation that impacts his capability to really feel his fingers and toes, and firstly of his jail sentence his lawyer Vadim Prokhorov was instructed Kara-Murza had three years to dwell. “It was a death sentence,” he says.

But on a number of events within the six weeks since his launch, he has stated his return to Russia is a matter of when not if.

“I am not going to be paranoid,” when requested about future threats to his life. “I know that what I am doing is the right thing to do. I know that I am right.

“I know that Russia will be better off as a normal democratic country and not an archaic, corrupt dictatorship that it is today.”

He described the questions on whether or not Russia can actually be democratic as “offensive”.

“I am really fed up with this offensive, insulating and profoundly wrong narrative that somehow Russia and democracy don’t work,” he stated. “To me this is racism to speak about any country in this way, not just Russia. And it is a fake argument.”

He referred to Ronald Reagan’s speech in 1982 to the Houses of Commons, wherein the then US president stated that “it would be cultural condescension, or worse, to say that any people prefer dictatorship to democracy” as proof of what Western leaders needs to be pondering.

And he actually has the ear of the West’s most influential leaders. Since his launch from jail, he has met US president Joe Biden, Germany chancellor Olaf Scholz, French president Emmanuel Macron and Finish president Alexander Stubb. This morning, he’ll meet with Sir Keir Starmer, in a gathering that wasn’t initially meant to occur however was rapidly organised by Downing Street on Thursday evening.

The first a part of all these conversations, he says, are in regards to the pressing want to assist the thousand or extra Russian opposition prisoners nonetheless being held in harmful environments. This newest swap, he says, can’t be the final.

He talked about Alexei Gorinov, who’s serving seven years in jail for calling Russia’s invasion of Ukraine an aggression and a conflict, and who’s lacking a part of his lung.

And he talked about Maria Ponomarenko, a journalist serving six years in jail for sharing a publish in regards to the Russian bombing of the drama theatre within the southern Ukrainian metropolis of Mariupol. Hundreds died on account of that bombing, however Moscow arrested her for spreading “false information”. She has since been “injected with unknown drugs and treated brutally”, in accordance with Amnesty International, and her psychological well being has severely deteriorated.

“The health situation is so dire that it is now a question of life or death for them in a very literal sense,” Kara-Murza stated.

But the second a part of his dialog with these world leaders, he stated, is about the way forward for Russia, and the necessity to have a “Russia strategy”. His feedback echoes these of Alexei Navalny’s former chief of employees, Leonid Volkov, who in an interview with The Independent final week known as for the West to open up its borders to Russia and start cultivating the youth of Russia.

“The only way to have stability, security, peace and democracy in Europe over the long term is to have a free, peaceful and democratic Russia,” he says.

“We are the biggest country in Europe. That is a geographical fact. Nothing is ever going to change that. Russia is not going to disappear. It is not going to go away, even if some people may wish that. It’s not going to happen.

“If we really are looking for a strategic solution to all of this, as opposed to freezing everything and pushing the problem onto the next generation, as has been done so many times before, then it has to have a Russia component to it.”

He described a chat with Biden final month wherein the US president all of the sudden turned to him in the course of a dialog and requested: ‘What will Russia look like in 10 years?’

Kara-Murza stated he thanked Biden for this query, earlier than including: “These are the important questions. I will have those same conversations here in London.”

In a press convention after the assembly with Sir Keir, he instructed The Independent that he believed the PM and David Lammy have been pondering significantly a few Russia technique for a world after Putin.

Crucially, he added, if the West desires to make sure Ukraine is left in peace, then it’s incumbent on Western leaders to assist civilian Russia as nicely.

“The first country that should be interested in a democratic Russia is Ukraine,” he says. “There is not going to be a long-term solution to any of this without a Russian component.

“While there continues to be an aggressive, dictatorial, murderous regime in the Kremlin, Ukraine is never going to be safe. Ukraine is never going to be secure. Ukraine is never going to be at peace.

“So, we have to have a strategy, otherwise in a couple more years we’ll be talking about another attack.”

He added that he has been in contact with “many Ukrainian friends, including members of parliament, including people who are in the current government, who also do understand the need for a Russia strategy, who are prepared to look beyond the emotions”.

He admitted that the “emotions are very understandable when children are dying every day because of bombs Putin has ordered to be fired at Ukraine”, however he’s adamant that this tragedy can’t be allowed to get in the way in which of future peace.

“We cannot base long-term political strategy on emotion,” he stated. “It has to be rational. It has to be based on what we want to happen, what we want to see, what we want Europe to look like 10 years down the line.”

While the conflict in Ukraine rages on, he stated, the West should now take into consideration Russia extra significantly, as a result of who is aware of when the Putin regime will fall. It may collapse in only a matter of days.

“The one thing we certainly know from the modern history of Russia is that major political changes in our country happen at the snap of a finger. Sudden, unexpected, with nobody seeing them coming.

“Both the Romanov empire at the beginning of the 20th century and the Soviet regime at the end of that century collapsed in three days,” he says. “March 1917 and August 1991. This is exactly how it is going to happen next time.

“None of us knows when or precisely in what circumstances the next political change will come in Russia, but it will, because nothing is forever. It might be in three years; it might be in two months. But it will come.”

So, he says, taking a breath, the West must be prepared.